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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 18, 2014 7:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

This is fascinating. I found a Time mag cover story, 7/7/67, "The Hippies: Philosophy of a Subculture."

It's a really interesting article, and ultimately rather positive, with a lot of historical interest. No mention of Kesey that I spotted, but it mentions "a mysterious figure named Augustus Owsley Stanley III, 32 ... the Henry Ford of Psychedelia ... a patron of the Grateful Dead, a San Francisco acid-rock group second only to the Jefferson Airplane in national popularity."

Really? Second to the Airplane? I assume that must mean among "SF acid-rock" groups, not rock in general ...

I only found the full article on PDF.

http://fellensdvmodern.yolasite.com/resources/TIME%20The%20Flower%20Children%20IMG.pdf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 18, 2014 8:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

Good article, for 1967. And yes, it's clearly "among SF acid-rock groups"...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 18, 2014 9:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

Surprising to me, since their first album only came out in March of that year, and I didn't think it was that huge of a seller or got much radio airplay nationally. SF and the San Francisco Sound got so much publicity in relation to the summer of love -- "Are You Going to San Francisco" and all -- but I guess if you really look at who was getting airplay, it was pretty much bands from outside SF, like the Doors, the Byrds, etc.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 18, 2014 10:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

Their album wasn't a huge seller or FM presence, but the Dead were already underground legends by mid-'67. When they visited NYC for the first time in June '67, they were quite well-known in the local hippie scene and there was a parade in the streets celebrating their arrival! Evidently they were regarded as symbols of the Haight scene and patron saints of hippiedom.

http://rchrd.com/Gallery/Sixties/NYC67/index3.html
(The guy in front is carrying a white carnation key to the East Village which was presented to Pigpen.)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 19, 2014 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

I think it's significant that the first comment about music was as follows:

"...across the nation pulses the turned-on sound of acid-rock groups: the Jefferson Airplane, the Doors, Dow Jones and the Industrials, Moby Grape (there is also a combo called Time)."

This fits w my experience, thru the radio and my brothers; the DEAD we're the most well-known of the SF Bands to NOT make it vis-a-vis national exposure, radio play, etc. They rec'd attn more to do w the "movment" (eg, the interview we all talk about, etc.). JA & BB&HC, and MGrape, all had songs on AM radio, but not the DEAD. Yet, they played at MPF, then WS...

They were viewed as similar to QMS, which as I have often said, many thought were better, til 69/70. That was the turning pt; the others were fading fast--gone even--when the DEAD hit their stride w the two albums. That was when they got rare air time too, AM wise. Many of the "SF style sorts", such as the DOORS (though dreaded SoCal sellouts to purists) were thought to be the real deal.

Many folks that came thru in 71, asking about the music scene--I can still picture my brother pulling out WorkDead and saying "these are the only ones that still have something to offer..."

So, I think the latter comment was more a throw away line in the context of BEAR; the writer clearly knows what's what, but it's unclear whether the comment is a mere whim or related to any info/data whatsoever...could have even been a reply to his query, "who's BEAR?!"...

This post was modified by William Tell on 2014-02-19 16:36:47

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 19, 2014 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

This was during the Summer of Love (when as I've mentioned before, I was in San Francisco with my parents, huzzah for me, bus-touring The Haight to See The Hippies) ... so SF was big on the national radar as a cultural phenom, but when I looked up album release dates, only JA had an album out that I'd guess was heard much nationally. So yeah, the writer was reaching for an Owsley link, and the GD probably WAS the second best-known, or maybe neck-and-neck with Moby Grape. But on a curve, it would be a huge cliff-sized drop-off down in well-knownedness from JA. What people really heard on the radio was "Are You Going to San Francisco?" and the Doors and the Byrds -- not the SF sound -- so SF had a rep, but any real knowledge of the music was probably pretty much on the college/underground level.

I'm sure you're right that the Dead got a lot of traction over the years (and decades) from being the Last Ones Standing.

BTW did your brother keep up his interest in the GD and other Bay Area bands at all?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 20, 2014 5:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

Nope; and that instance, was more revealing of his ability to sum scenes up and offer an objective assessment. He has NEVER wavered from "MGrape was the best, JA was the next tier down, and then the rest, of which I liked QMS the best" (ie, of the third tier). He has always talked about Elvin Bishop showing up (in SF, played w DEAD, fall 68) and saying "these bands are ALL crap! NO body but Balin can sing"; his friend from Santa Crus interviewed him. BTW, I know that "Today" is his, and my, fav JA song...we played it at our brother's wake (the one that always told me about being at the CREAM shows for WofFire...they both NEVER waivered from that: CREAM knocked EVERYONE's socks off, all bands, all groupies, all the time...the BEATLES paled by comparison, in terms of the impact on SF...truly.).

He's told me lately when we talk that it was very much the general consensus; I've found out he hung out w many music wannabees, so he had access to the "scene" at some level...but in any case, the other bands did all fade quickly, and he was one of the many that said the albums of 1970 were a huge step up, because he thought w Pig they were "only a dance jam" band (he saw them many times in 66 & early 67 in HS's and that's all they "were good for"). I've tried to interest him in the early stuff, but he thinks Live DEAD is just a novelty item...he would pull out HapTrails to compare.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 19, 2014 2:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

That is one great picture of Pig! Love his pink hat. Interesting that they gave the "key to the village" to Pig and not Jerry; it tends to support what people who saw the band then said about his presence as frontman ... either that or they offered it to Jerry and he was gracious? I could see either one happening.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 19, 2014 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

Pigpen was the most well-known, at that point, from Dead t-shirts and posters. (Plus he was the most distinctive-looking, plus had the biggest stage presence.) Garcia had the "Captain Trips" moniker but I'm not sure if people saw him as the "leader" yet.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 19, 2014 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

That's always hard to get the head around. It had to have an impact on how the band was perceived in the very early years. Much greasier and more edgy, dangerous and biker/outlaw than we tend to think of it now.

The whole hippie phenom felt dangerous at the time. I know that from my own memories as a kid; the sense I got from my parents and the media (I probably saw that Time mag, since we got Time) was of the world careening towards the unknown. It wasn't all love and peace; it was that plus Biker/Outlaws plus Maybe a Revolution Soon. The notion of "hippie" softened into a kind of fuzzy tie-dyed thing over the decades, and certainly by the 80s there was zero sense that Deadhead Land would threaten the status quo or somehow connect to a revolution; it was an alternative, not a threat. But it definitely wasn't experienced as heavy on sweetness in the '60s, and the biker/outlaw element that Pig represented was a big part of it. Cue "Born to Be Wild" :-)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 20, 2014 5:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

GoP, poster and general all around old fart and good guy makes this point whenever he's not touting how great the HtoH of 8-6-71 is (and he's right). And, as I keep saying, that was defn how my brothers viewed the band, and partly, why I think they were dismissive. Pig really doesn't fit with flowers and drugs (and said so himself).

Also, know of what you speak; ie, what was it all about? It was partly good (the war is bad; free speech is good; authority is to be questioned; etc.), but partly bad (free sex is free but half of us pay more; drugs can be fun, or a bad trip; finding yourself is great, but responsibility has benefits too, etc.).

Of course, in general, social experiments of that sort are not sustainable, but certainly I tend toward viewing them as exceptionally useful for getting us one step forward, eh?

I think in that respect, my brothers DID respect the DEAD--as I've always maintained here, they exude a "do your own thing, don't get caught up in the trivia, or 'causes' and the like" whereas, eg, JA came off as more in your face reactionaries (slap down the pigs, make your parents throw up, etc.).

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 19, 2014 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

It also wasn't THAT big of a scene.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 18, 2014 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

I wish I'd thought to name a band "Dow Jones and the Industrials", although Diogenes and the Cynics is also pretty damn good.

Interesting article . Thanks for posting.

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2014-02-19 05:06:35

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 18, 2014 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

Someone else did, 10 years later. They must have found the article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Jones_and_the_Industrials

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 18, 2014 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

Cover image:

Time%20magazine%20hippie%20cover,%20July%207%201967-8x6.jpg

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Feb 19, 2014 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?

Is that a clean-shaven Jerry in the back in skirt and heels? Oooh-la-la!